1/17/24 - 2025: First Thing's First: Be Awesome!

Jim: You've tuned in to iWork4Him, the voice of collaboration for the faith and work movement.

Martha: We are your hosts, Jim and Martha Brangenberg, and our mission is to transform the workplace of every Christian into a mission field. What does that look like in your workplace? Well, let's find out right now.

Jim: You know, everyone has a calling. Did you know that was true? Some of us are called to the pulpit and others to the foreign mission field, but most of us get called to our cubicles or some other kind of work environment.

The job that you do and the people that you work with, none of that is by chance because the people that you work with need to meet Jesus and you may be their only chance. What if you had only one chance in a lifetime to impact one person or one chance today to impact one person? Well, Ed Rush is just that guy.

He may only have one chance to impact somebody's life, so every time he speaks to an audience, he makes sure they interact with God. I can't wait for you to hear Ed Rush's story and how he's impacting leadership seeking audiences around the globe to meet and hear God talk. Ed Rush, welcome to iWork4Him.

Ed Rush: Hey, Jim and Martha, thanks for having me on the show. Just want to honor what you do. You know, when I started in the military, certainly when I got into the workforce, the whole work, the church thing was not a thing, you know what I mean? It's kind of a thing now. Like we're talking about it. And I appreciate you being on the front lines of that long before it was a thing. So I'm excited for our conversation.

Jim: Boy, that's a whole nother story for a whole nother day. And before we get into what God has you do on a day to day basis, what's your Jesus story?

Ed Rush: Yeah, so the short version is, I was eight. My father was one of the most famous basketball referees of all time. My mom actually was a, was a famous basketball coach. I came from a basketball family. And my dad was meeting off and on with the sideline announcer, the PA announcer for the Seattle Supersonics, a team that doesn't exist anymore. But this guy started sharing Jesus with him. Next thing you know, brought him to dinner one night.

Invited a friend of his who was in charge of this big organization called PAO, Pro Athletes Outreach. They met with my dad, shared Christ with him. The next day my dad comes back from his trip and sits down with me and says, Son, I have to talk to you because you're a sinner. And I was like no argument there, dad.

I was not the best kid and literally he's like, well, you need to repent. I'm like, okay, what does that mean? And eight years old, you know, sitting in my bedroom I became a believer and that's the beginning of a long story, of a long story But that's the story.

Jim: That PA announcer is who connected us.

Ed Rush: That's George Toles. Yes, one of my favorite people still today. I talk to George every month, a person that I consider a mentor and I believe one of the most influential men in the kingdom, even though he wouldn't admit it.

Martha: Hmm. Well, you know, and just hearing that little piece of your story, that man was living out his faith in his work, and just look at the trajectory of the lives that it impacted. And that's why we talk about that on iWork4Him each and every time we get behind the microphone.

Ed Rush: Yeah, you know, I was, I was encouraging George. You know, George has Parkinson's for like the last 20 years and I was encouraging him and I was just explaining to him, like literally tens of thousands of people have had conversations with God as a result of what I just wrote in my last book, which I know we're going to talk about.

And I said, George, if you hadn't had that dinner, you know think about that. That's just one person and he's led hundreds of people to Christ. I said if you hadn't had that dinner... so it's exciting to think about these little drops in the water and the way the you know the the ripples kind of affect all the way out. So that's fun. That's fun.

Jim: Yeah, tens of thousands of people have learned about God because of you. I love that. All right. You have a storied career as a fighter pilot including setting of record for flying the furthest in a single engine, two engine plane, with a single engine for a plane that is supposed to have two. Tell us about this Top Gun career you had.

Ed Rush: Yeah, first of all, the thing you should know is I failed kindergarten so it wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Jim: Which I'm just trying to figure out, I've read that and I'm like, how do you, how do you fail kindergarten?

Ed Rush: I mean, it's very simple. Flying an airplane is not hard. You push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. You pull the stick back, the houses get smaller. You push the red button on the stick, all the houses go away. It's really all you need to know.

But yeah, failed kindergarten. Ended up in the Marines which is a perfect spot for me. Because the entrance requirement is very low. It turned out I was pretty good at flying an airplane. Just took it very simply. Ended up as a leading instructor in the Marine Corps for one against one dogfighting. Graduated from Top Gun. I flew that airplane across the ocean. We were, we were flying actually from Hawaii to Wake Island. I lost an engine in the middle of the ocean, flew over a thousand miles on a single engine landed on a broken airfield on Wake Island. Fascinating. Fascinating story.

Jim: Which by the way, nobody listening knows where Wake Island is. When I was reading it, I, I didn't have a chance to go look at the, map to figure out where, I have no idea where that is.

Ed Rush: It's the first place the sun touches in America. It's literally right over the international date line in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. The first morning in America is on Wake Island and there's this tiny little airstrip on a tiny little island. Literally the airstrip is one third of the entire island. Tiger sharks jumping over the reef.

Martha: But thank goodness it's there.

Ed Rush: Yeah, yeah. So that's where I spent the night.

Jim: Wow. So, did God intersect with you in your fighter pilot career, or what was it after?

Ed Rush: Yeah, so I was walking with God basically from 8, you know, kind of off and on like any kid does. When I got in the Marine Corps, I, honestly, I was convinced, Jim and Martha, I was convinced - there were 192, 000 Marines when I joined the Marine Corps, and I was convinced I was the only one. Like I thought that's just me, you know, I'm going into this, this mission field. So the first night, so I brought these little cards with me to boot camp. Marine Corps bootcamp, by the way, is no joke, right?

You have these guys yelling at you, pushing you around. I brought these little cards that I would keep in my uniform that were just little verses, like little verses just to stay encouraged while I was there. And the first night in bootcamp, they tell you never volunteer for anything. The first night, my drill instructor, just as we were getting ready to go to bed he said, listen, if you all want to, just before you go to sleep, one of the candidates, which is what we're called recruits, he said, one of the candidates, you can say a short prayer for everyone.

And I was like, what in the world did he just say? Wow. And he said, does anyone want to volunteer to do that? And I'm like I'm definitely not going to volunteer to do this job. And out of nowhere, I kid you not, nobody ever speaks up in bootcamp. Out of nowhere, someone said, Ed will do it. I was like, wait, wait, it must have been like an angel because we didn't even know each other, okay?

And literally for ten straight weeks, I got to pray every single night for my entire bootcamp class. I'd bring my little verses out, read one of those verses. And I realized I wasn't alone and that little, that little realization took me through everything. Took me to flight school, took me into the business world, took me into the speaking world, writing.

We have this idea in the, especially in the workplace that you're kind of the only one out there. And the only reason you're the only one is because you haven't told anybody, frankly, because there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people, right? And yeah, you're not alone. And even if you are out there on the mission field by yourself, you're still not alone. But that was an interesting lesson for me early on.

Martha: Amazing. That is so great. So, you know, really much like the first story we said where that one man, the impact he had that one, you know commanding officer over you. What an impact he had by allowing you that opportunity to pray. So let's talk about this. Did you ever struggle then with connecting your faith and your work?

Ed Rush: Yeah, I mean, I came out of a Christian tradition where you had all of the spiritual things over here and then you kind of had everything else way over here. And there was a great gulf between the two of those things. I was taught that there were important things like like missions and ministry and preaching and teaching and worship and everything else was kind of like over here, way off to the side. And by the way, that's not a biblical. There's, there's no biblical foundation for any of that. In fact, one of the reasons we had a reformation in 1415 and 1600s was because of that belief that there was a sort of secular crowd and everyone else was inferior.

And it's interesting in the church, even today, you hear that kind of leak through. For example, you'll hear a missionary who will stand up and speak and they'll, they'll start by saying, you know, we always knew we wanted our life to mean something more. And all the people in the business world are like, well, what am I now?

Like, you know, chopped liver. And I'm not criticizing the missionary. That's what they were taught too, but there's even that idea that sort of, there are these really important things to God. And then everything else is like, not really that important, but I will tell you, the workplace is really important.

Like, for example, I've get criticized for saying this. I've been saying this for the last year. There's a guy named Elon Musk who when he bought Twitter created a massive change in the world simply through acquisition. And by the way, Elon Musk isn't even a believer for all intents and purposes. He's like an atheist, but he was thinking like a kingdom person when he did that.

And as kingdom people I think we need to start thinking more like kingdom people in that world. So faith and work was a major issue for me when I went into the business world. So I left the Marines back in 2006, started writing books, teaching entrepreneurs and I was a business guy. Hardcore, you know, pounding nails in the business world.

I was teaching people productivity and how to grow their business and like real, real tough stuff, you know. And that'll factor into the story in just a second, but I'm sitting in my little chair. I still have this chair over here where I sit and pray, read, breathe and just sort of listen to God, do my God Talks. And I'm sitting in the chair and I had dedicated myself that day to do one hour of prayer. That was my goal.

I had heard a sermon the weekend before. Remember when Jesus says like could you tarry for an hour? I heard the sermon the week before and I'm like, I'm a Marine. I can do an hour. And so I challenged myself to pray for an hour straight. I actually took a piece of paper like the one I have here, I laminated it, I had everyone's name on it that I was going to pray for, all the verses and everything, and so I started praying, and about five minutes into praying, much like all of us have experienced, my mind started wandering.

And then I'm like disciplining myself to bring it back and then I'm, you know scolding myself for not being disciplined enough. And I'm bringing myself back to prayer and my mind's wandering. I'm bringing myself back to prayer. My mind keeps wandering and it's very frustrating at this point. I'm about 20 minutes into what's supposed to be an hour.

And what my mind was wandering to later on that afternoon, I had a business deal discussion. Huge deal for me, for the person I was talking to, turned into a six figure deal, by the way, down the road. And we're going to be negotiating the nuances of that deal. And a business deal, by the way is a way to help people, right?

You help them. They help you. Everyone gets what they want. That's why I love the business world. Everyone really does get what they want out of a transaction. And so I'm thinking through this business deal while I'm supposed to be praying. I'm thinking through this business deal while I'm supposed to be praying.

And all of a sudden it was like a light bulb pops up into my head. And I realize the person bringing that deal to my mind was God. And his interest that morning in our time together was to partner with me on what turned into a very significant business transaction for me. And it blew my mind that God was even interested, frankly, in a conversation about something that I thought He considered, and what I had been told, by the way, was a necessary evil. And I sat there for the next 40 minutes.

Jim: I think we must have gone to the same church growing up or something. Seriously.

Ed Rush: Well, actually, it's very pervasive. It's almost, and I don't mean to say it so abrasively, but there's almost in certain church environments, there's almost like a cult like view of the sacred secular separation.

I was taught the only good thing you can do in the work environment is either to breathe, evangelize, or give money away, okay? And what I found is Man, you, you sit down with someone, what I do primarily is help business owners grow. You sit down with someone and you help them grow, you help them grow their ability to bless.

Okay. Abraham was blessed to be a blessing. When you help someone grow, you grow their ability to bless. By the way, even if they're not a believer, which is kind of crazy when you think about it. And when you do that with excellence, you reflect the nature and the glory of God, whether you say it with words or not.

And sometimes the first thing you should do in the workplace is be awesome. Be awesome enough that people come up to you and do like, dude, could you give me like your secret, you know? And so man, that conversation with God sitting in that chair blew my mind. And so I started these somewhat daily conversations with God specifically about business.

I still do it today. Today it took about an hour, maybe hour and a half walk. For 20 minutes during the walk I just sat on the side of the trail, closed my eyes, just sit and listen to God about my day. I call it downloading my instructions. It's a daily habit that I still do today and it's fascinating how interested God is in your business. Far more than you think.

Jim: I think it's important to know for our listeners that we believe that on this show that God loves business so much that God could have sent Jesus to any family on the planet but he chose to send Jesus to the family of a small business owner. And when that small business owner died before Jesus entered his ministry, Jesus was in fact that small business owner and led that family business.

God loves business. It's not a necessary evil. It is a tool that he has used to bring about flourishing and cultivating on this planet and there's no two tiered system in the kingdom. That is well, we agree with Ed Rush.

Martha: And this is why we love talking to Ed today.

Ed Rush: I was reading, sorry, I know I'm interrupting because I know you're going to ask a question. I was just sitting reading in Matthew just, just recently. You know there's that story, so I was taught growing up in the church, and I know we're moving on, but I thought this was so funny. I was taught growing up in the church, Jesus went to these fishermen, these poor fishermen, and said come and follow me, and they left everything behind, and they followed Jesus.

That's what I was taught. What I read when I read this verse, it said they left the nets with the hired hands, and then they followed Jesus, right? And I thought, well that's interesting, because like, four chapters later, they're back in the boat, another four chapters later, Jesus is standing in their boat, preaching and after he rises again, they're fishing again, right?

So I was taught they left everything. Well, you know what they did. They left their business in the hands of people who they could trust so that they could go be with Jesus, so that they could come back to their business, so they could go be with Jesus. I was like - blew my mind! Left their nets with the hired hands. I was like they had hired hands. I didn't even know that. I missed that.

Martha: And what you just said, too, is God used their business because he, you know, Jesus was in their boat. Jesus used the miracle of the fish as a huge example to so many in their workplace. So we could talk about this all day. This is one of the things, that's why iWork4Him is on the air is that so many people have trouble connecting their faith and their work and really understanding that it is a biblical perspective.

So we're pretty excited in 2024 that there are a lot of great in person events that we're going to be participating in where there's a deeper dive into that connection of our faith and work. And so I just want to encourage our listeners to go to our event page at iWork4Him.com/events and there you can find out what might be either near you or fit your calendar or really be speaking into the space where you could join us at one of these events that might just take you a little further in that journey.

So check out the events page and we'd love to see you guys in person at one of the places that we are this year.

Jim: All right, Ed, God has used you to introduce people to him in a pretty unique way, and you wrote a book about it: God Talks. and you're showing it on the video. If you don't ever check us out on YouTube, you should absolutely check us on YouTube because you can see the faces that I make when I'm doing the show.

Martha: It's entertaining.

Jim: God Talks. tell me, this God Talks thing, how do you use this in your secular environment God is throwing you in the midst of? How's God using you to introduce people to him?

Ed Rush: Yeah, so back to the chair I was sitting in. So sitting in there, having, developing this, this habit of having a conversation with God and I had this old this old sort of spiritual teacher guy, who was a friend of mine, and he came to me, and he said, I've been praying for you, and I feel the Lord has something He wants me to tell you.

And I said, okay, you know, whatever God wants to say, I'm very open to that. And he said, the verse curses him who withholds grain. And dude, when he said that, I about, my heart about dropped through my body. Like, did he just say curse it? Like, that's what God has to say to me? And he, and this, this older man, he said, Ed, you have developed this technique for having a conversation with God about your business, about money, about your family, your personal experience, but you really haven't taught anybody, anyone that.

And I looked at this guy, I said, look, I don't teach that. I called it wooey wooey stuff. That's what I used to call that stuff. I said, I don't teach wooey wooey stuff. I don't teach mindset. I don't teach like claim it, name it. I don't teach, you know, like you think about it, it'll happen. I teach hardcore business strategies, marketing, branding, positioning, copywriting, communication, persuasion, like productivity. That's what I teach.

And he goes, well, the Lord wants you to, to share this message. Okay. So like the next event. I do these three day events. And by the way, what you mentioned about the events is right on. Most business owners, most people in business feel alone. If you, if you're feeling that way, or if you feel like you're struggling to kind of like find your passion and your mission, get around other people who are mission minded people.

That's one of the reasons why you should go to the iWork4Him events. It's like unbelievable when you get around people who think the same way. You're like, Oh my gosh, I thought I was the only one. And you hear amazing speakers and you get connected to some incredible people.

I do these events. They're typically two to three day events. The event I'm talking about was a three day event. And during the event, about 170 people at this event, I said, look, I said, anyone who wants to ask questions to God and get answers about your business, I'm going to do this optional session on the third day. It's at eight o'clock in the morning and you can come if you want to.

We had 169 out of 170 people show up. And these are some believers. There's also atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus. There's folks who are skeptics, people who have no idea what to believe. And I start teaching them. I said, here's how I ask God questions about my business. And I put some music on. I said, I want you to ask this first question and journal the answer.

Then I said, I'm going to have you ask the second question, journal the answer. Literally, I'm looking around the room. All these people are like writing down. I'm like, I can't believe this is actually working, right? After the training, this atheist woman walks up to me. I had known her. She was actually a coaching client of mine.

And she had a yellow pad of paper, like if you're watching the video, you can see I'm holding this yellow pad of paper. And she comes up to me and she says, Ed, I'm an atheist and I have two pages of notes that I just wrote down from God. How does that work? I said, Hey Francine, you're the atheist. You tell me. I can't even answer that question in your context.

Okay. So for the next two years, this woman, every Friday sets aside an hour every Friday for two straight years to talk to God. I said, I was like, Francine, you talk to God. You pray more than most Christians an hour a week. You know, I couldn't even do an hour sitting in that chair.

So it turns out this woman, she has this massive abuse as she's growing up, 5 to 17 years old, abused by her father. She completely shuts down any conversation with God, any discussion about any heavenly father, because why would you believe in a heavenly father if your earthly dad was so awful? She doesn't tell the story for 40 years, until she has this conversation with God.

And three months after this conversation with God, she's standing on my stage, at my event, telling a story about how God breaks through her heart. And next thing you know, she's free. Now she would have - by the way, just so you know, I love the church - she would have never gone to church. Never. I'm telling you, I don't care what, what the invitation was, what choir was singing, who was there.

No way she was going to walk into a church, but she walked into a business event. And at a business event, learning marketing, positioning, branding, productivity, strategies, persuasion, copywriting. At a business event, because she was there to learn the things that I just mentioned, she has this massive encounter with God and what I realized is essentially what God created for me was what I call a covert operation.

In other words, people come to receive what they want and they do get it at my events, by the way. They're extraordinary events, but also at the events I facilitate and shepherd a conversation with God because why would you ask someone here for answers when you can first ask God for answers. Behind me there's this little tool that I teach called the wisdom pyramid. Top of the wisdom pyramid is divine wisdom. Whenever you're seeking for answers in your life - your purpose, your business, your family, your health - you start at the top. You ask God the questions first, then you ask your friends or the people that you take advice from and essentially what I do now is I do these business events where atheists, beautiful atheists, beautiful Hindus, Muslims, Christians, everybody from all walks of life, skeptics, people who have no idea what they believe, people who are pretending to believe something but have no clue what they actually believe, the next thing they know and they walk in and have a conversation with God.

I've been doing this for like six years now and I can tell you I know two people out of tens of thousands of people, I've had two people in all that time come up to me and say they didn't get a significant answer from God. Two people. By the way, there was a reason for both of those people. So yeah, that's what I do.

Martha: So, wow. I just want to, I want to start with the wow. Are you still doing that as an optional session and then people are still coming or I just want to know what that looks like now.

Ed Rush: Yeah. So that, that optional went out the window about three years ago. I, essentially now I build the entire events around a conversation with God. Like, for example, my next event is a very business centered event. The very first conversation that my folks are gonna have with God is about money. The second conversation, God's gonna break through and talk about their purpose. Then the next day, we're literally asking God questions about it.

What's our ideal customer? Where are ideal places to look for a customer? Actual real, I'm talking about like real executable questions. Again, I love starting at divine wisdom because God's wisdom is always very simple. When a business owner implements what God has for them, It's never complicated. The list is very short.

Wisdom, by the way, wisdom in general is always very, very simple to implement. If you're talking to someone who's like a business consultant, and you come away confused with a long list of things to do, you did not receive wisdom. You got knowledge, but you didn't get wisdom. Wisdom is always simple. So when you connect with God, it's very easy. And I have a philosophy about this. It's called easy and light.

Martha: Do these people know that that's going to be on the agenda when they come and they come anyway?

Ed Rush: They do now. Yeah, they do now. Yeah, so, and they did then too. I, I just told them, look, I'm going to facilitate a conversation with God. But I always tell people, and you read the book, Jim, you can, you can attest to this.

I tell people, look, you can come to this with any belief system. It's a very safe place, okay? So man, I grew up, when I grew up as a believer, I thought God, I was told God doesn't speak to anyone but his people or, or something like that. By the way, that's not, that's not in the Bible. That is a lie that comes from the pit of hell.

Jim: It's in the Bible that he speaks to people who aren't his followers.

Ed Rush: Like even through a donkey if he needed to, you know, so I mean, Jesus was called the word, right? If he's the word, you got to think he's got something to say. And so, first of all, I was shocked that he was speaking to all these people who I thought he didn't speak to.

But yeah, now what I do is I just tell people, look, we're going to start the event with a conversation with God. And then we're going to go to actual strategies, human wisdom. We're going to start at divine wisdom. We're going to move to human wisdom and then we're going to move to knowledge so that you can begin to execute these things.

And I just tell them it's a safe place. You can come in without any belief system. Okay. So there's no entrance requirement because there's not an entrance requirement in the kingdom, by the way, either. And there's no pressure, you know, there's no like manipulative sort of religious strategies.

I'm, I'm there to facilitate a conversation with God because frankly, he's got it. Like he's got it.

Jim: You ask people, I mean, in the book, the two questions. I just love, this is a question you asked your atheist friend and that you were asked that first time you're sitting in front of those two counselors when, you know, what lies do I believe about myself and what's true?

And then I think the other one is what's true about, I couldn't, I couldn't find it to underline it really quickly, but what's true, what's true about me? How do you use that in a business setting?

Ed Rush: Yeah. Fundamentally, the foundation of God Talks are those two questions. What I found in conversations with God, and I have about a hundred different ways to facilitate these questions, but the first one I always start with is, what lies do I believe about me?

What's true about me? God's ready to speak, by the way, to you on those. Fundamentally, there's typically a single belief that is the thing that's holding you back the most, and my experience with that first exercise is God goes right after that first one. Usually their feelings of unworthiness or alone or, you know, God's done with me or something like that.

That's, that's been a belief system that has literally affected your neurology. And you know, in the book, I talk about the way the brain functions, how thoughts turn into literal software in your brain. And I show you in the book how to recode that software. And so I love starting with that question. So for example, when I lead business owners through the questions about their business, the first question I usually have them ask is what lies do you believe about your business?

What's true about your business? And you will find some of the most amazing lies. Like, by the way, roughly when I do the live events, especially a couple hundred people in the room, I'll ask someone, Hey, what, what did you write down? What lies do you believe about your business? I'm believing that my business is a necessary evil.

I'll go. How many people wrote that down? 30 to 60 percent of the room literally will raise their hand when somebody says one of their things, 30 to 60 percent of the room. What that means is the enemy is not very creative. They just continue to copy the lies over and over again. Right? And so what happens is.

This person over here has been thinking they're believing this lie, and they think they're the only one, and then they see 120 people raise their hand, and they're like, oh my gosh, we're all, we've all been, and then it reinforces the fact that it is, it is a lie. And so I love those questions, it really peels back the onion of belief, and fundamentally what you think turns into what you do. So you think something, it turns into a set of actions, which turns into a set of results.

The, I think really the magic of God Talks is undoing very unprofitable, very hurtful thought patterns that in certain cases you were trained when you were very young to believe and they've been ingrained in you and created a result in your life to retrain those and, and I say this in the book too, God can fix in 30 seconds something that would take a counselor three years to get through. He's called, he's called the counselor, right? So he can literally rewire something that quickly as long as you're letting, willing to let him do it.

Jim: I'd like to offer up a suggestion for that exercise. Let's call that the Shrek exercise. Onions have layers, ogres have layers.

Martha: It's very good. You know, I mean, this is why people engage with you and come to your things because you, you do bring the awesome to the table first. And I think that, that says a lot and that's an encouragement to a lot of us, especially as we're looking at 2024, what can I do differently?

But I just want to point people to your website, which is just EdRush.com and we'll have that in the show notes. We'll have all that stuff in the notes to connect to you. But I just want to give, you know, people, they're going to want more than what we can deliver in this one podcast. So throwing that out there,

Jim: I mean, how many events do you got scheduled for 2024?

Ed Rush: Usually we do three to four events a year, depending on location, demand. Our next events in February in Phoenix, that's a very business events of wisdom for business events. So that's where you're going to be downloading business ideas. And by the way, the event, the events are - I have trainings that are very expensive and high level stuff. The events are usually very accessible as far as the, even in the, even the investment goes. So yeah, at edrush. com, there's a link at the top that has a link to our next event.

And the other website, by the way, is God Talks, easiest website to remember God Talks. com. When you go there, I created a series of audios. A lot of times people like to do the exercises in a guided format where you have your headphones on, close your eyes, sit and journal your answers about 20 minutes a day for seven days. Very simple to do. And those are available at GodTalks. com, which is the home plate for the book.

Jim: Ed Rush, we could do this for an hour. We could do it for five hours, but we're out of time. Thank you so much for sharing your story and for seeing your workplace as a mission field, as you're introducing thousands of people to God every year.

It's an honor to walk alongside you in this, and we're so grateful for your work, and we can't wait to hear more stories. Maybe one day you could bring us on location at one of those, and we can capture the stories live of what's going on right there in your conferences. That's an offer to you. And of course, if it's in a nice sunny place in the middle of winter, that of course would make it a bonus, but not necessary.

Ed Rush. Thanks for being on. iWork4Him today.

Ed Rush: Thank you, Jim and Martha. Thanks again for what you do in the world. I appreciate your ministry and your influence. It's really extraordinary.

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