10/4/23 - 2010: Celebrate the Blessed Alliance!

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Jim: You've tuned into, iWork4Him, the Voice of Collaboration for the Faith and Work Movement.

Martha: We are your host, Jim and Martha Brangenberg, and our mission is to transform the workplace of every Christian into a mission field. What does that look like in your workplace? Well, let's find out right now.

Jim: You know, it's a fact. Women make up fifty-five percent of the workforce, thirty-six percent of the workforce identify as born again believers in Jesus Christ. That makes 19,800,000 Christian working women. Today we focus on celebrating the Christian working woman.

Why? Because they deserve it! Of course, Christian working women have been given a unique set of gifts, talents, and spiritual abilities to walk within their workplace, be like Jesus, and do work with excellence. We don't often hear sermons celebrating Christian working women, but you're gonna hear a conversation today that highlights how God intended for Christian working women to be ministers in their workplace, too.

Catherine Gates and Amy Cedrone, join us today from the Polished Network online at PolishedNetwork.org. These two ladies are world changers and we're excited that you get to meet them now. Catherine and Amy, welcome to iWork4Him.

Amy Cedrone: Great to be here. Thank you so much.

Catherine Gates: We're so glad to be here.

Martha: So, Amy, we're gonna just start with you. Tell us a little bit about your work story. What led you to be the leader at Polished?

Amy Cedrone: Yeah, thanks for asking. It was kind of a, a bumpy journey to get here and I think a lot of women share that kind of same journey, you know, but I, I started out in the medical field back when I was young and before children, so I have a kinda traditional work background.

But then my husband and I were called into missions and so we started pursuing full-time, missionary work. And then the Lord changed our direction there when my mother got sick with Alzheimer's, and so we became some of her caregivers and through that went to seminary. So Plan B, you know, I think Plan B stands for plan best. You know, it's the, it's the one that we typically end up with, not our plan. A.

Went to seminary, had a ministry role as a pastor, a woman's pastor, young adult pastor at a church, a teaching pastor. And then through that I was asked to speak at a Polished webinar. And my friend Catherine and I both have a dear friend, Joy Dahl, who is the executive director at Polished Network at the time, asked me to come on as a national director because Polished was expanding, and I said yes to the Lord.

It seemed like the the next faithful step. And then when Joy moved on from this role, I was approached to be the executive director. So that's kind of my trajectory into this faith and work ministry that we have. So that's my journey.

Jim: So why, before we go on to Catherine, just tell us really what's polished all about. I mean, just give us the 30 second infomercial on Polished.

Amy Cedrone: Yeah. You know, what we, we try to do is we try to embolden women in their faith and work. And when we say embolden, we think that this encapsulates equipping, empowering and encouraging women. And so we want them to be bold as leaders in their workplace.

We want them to lead with excellence. We want them to grow as leaders and influence makers in their work. So we have professional development opportunities for for that, but we also want them to be bold in their faith. We want them to grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ. Because we do believe, like you said in your intro, that a woman's ministry, her mission field, is right between her feet.

And so we want them to be bold in both how they lead and how they lead their Christian walk as well.

Jim: That's great imagery 'cause I'm picturing a toddler between their feet and I'm, I'm picturing the garbage on the floor at their feet, and then I'm picturing 'em as they're walking in high heels on their feet. That's a great, great image. I love that.

Catherine Gates is also with us today, and we go way back with Catherine Gates. We first met Catherine Gates when she was working within the Work Matters organization. Then she went on to be part of Women in the Marketplace outta Cincinnati, Ohio, and now you're with Polished. Catherine, it's an amazing journey. We've watched and walked alongside with you. What led you to be part of Polished today?

Catherine Gates: It has been an amazing, amazing journey, Jim. It really has. I've been reflecting on it actually the last couple of weeks, especially as we launched our second Polished chapter in the Northwest Arkansas area in Siloam Springs.

And, and just looking at a couple of the women in the room who were part of what we had started back in 2017 that was called Christian Women in the Workplace. So my journey has been, you know, my career journey has been very securitas. If you look back now, I can see how God's hand was in all of it, and he hasn't wasted anything.

And I just wanna say that as an encouragement to those women who may feel a little lost in the wilderness in their career, God doesn't waste a moment of it. I mean, I started out as a program software developer. I've done sales training and instructional design, worked for a small nonprofit that helped bring mothers into community with other mothers.

And so I do have, God really started putting women more heavily on my heart in terms of serving them in their work. You know, many years ago, but certainly after I started working for Work Matters in 2013. I was meeting with a lot of different women who were expressing the frustration they were experiencing because they were struggling to find community with other working women who cared about integrating their faith into their work.

They'd go to business networking events and meet people, but there was no conversation about their faith. They go to church events or maybe they couldn't because they were scheduled at times that conflicted with their work or their family time. But even when they did, they weren't encouraged in their work.

There was not a lot of conversation about women in the workplace and how to support that. And so we thought, let's just, do something ourselves. Right? So we started just a grassroots Christian women in the workplace. We, we started offering women the opportunity to meet over lunch, bring in a speaker, and oh my goodness, women were starving for it.

Women would show up like, you know, months into it for the first time and say, how did I not know about this? I've needed this for so long. And that's when we started thinking how do we make this available to more working women across the country? And that's when I connected with Kathy Book, who had founded Women in the Marketplace at the same time we started Christian Women in the Workplace in 2017, and we started talking about how we could collaborate.

She's got a very collaborative heart as well. And so what ended up happening was I joined Women in the Marketplace in 2021 as their executive director, and that very same month is when I got introduced to Joy Dahl and the Polished Network. They were about to launch their very first conference and I had just come off of organizing the Work Matters conference, which was not my primary job, but it just so happened in twenty-twenty that, that we just needed all hands on deck.

And so I stepped in and so I had a lot of information and resources and speaker ideas and connections to share with Joy. So our collaboration really started there. And then, that went so well that we decided, hey, let's come along the Polished network. Like really put our money where our mouth is, literally come in and, and collaborate with them to make sure this Boldly conference can continue in 2022.

And so we supported it financially. I joined the team and I gotta tell you, Jim and Martha, I would be in those team meetings and I would be like, you know what? If anybody was watching us, you wouldn't know that we work for two different organizations. It was such a blast that Kathy Book, by the time Boldly came around, she said, you know what?

I feel like the Lord is calling us to consider coming together, like really, truly being one organization. And so we covered that in prayer. That has definitely been a Holy Spirit led journey. We've gone deep into prayer with it. Tracy Mathews from Attune to Grow has been a facilitator for us and really supported us along this journey.

And I'll tell you, it is just the best. We've had to come at it with very open hands, everybody contributing, everybody having more of a kingdom mindset, and it has been just a dream come true beyond anything I could have imagined.

Martha: Which is not something to take lightly, right? That is a huge thing for two organizations to decide to come together and to merge in, in spirit, already being merged in spirit.

I mean, just through hearing your testimony like, but to be able to organizationally and personnel-wise and everything come together for one common good. And you know, I just really wanna celebrate that. Thank you for sharing that. I love hearing the diversity of both of your backgrounds because God has had you, like you said, he never wastes anything.

You know, he has been building on your work life for such a time as this. And I'm curious to know - first let's just talk about, like right now in your work, do you feel Amy, like you are celebrated by those around you that support you spiritually and in your church?

Amy Cedrone: Yeah. Yes and no. You know the people that are around me at church, absolutely. This team that I work with, by these amazing just kind of cohorts in ministry. We have connections with some amazing, amazing organizations and there's a lot of conversation happening right now amongst organizations in faith and work for women, in those arenas where we really are seeing this coming together.

And, and that's been just a beautiful thing, celebrating what one another does well, talking about how we can find alignment and those kinds of things. And so I do feel celebrated by that, you know, but I still think there's work to do.

I think that you know, Billy Graham said that the workplace was gonna be the next, you know, big mission field. I think more and more people need to know about what's happening in the faith and work arena. And so I, I, by nature of the need to get that message out to help women envision their workplace as their mission field, there's still work to be done.

I'd love to be celebrated in those places where we have yet to step our foot. One of the reasons why we brought Catherine Gates on as our VP of business partnerships, you guys know, I call Catherine the human bridge. She is just a connector of people. In such a beautiful way, God uses her like that.

But we wanna expand our reach and with her background being able to get into some different businesses that we haven't been able to break through yet. Development of ERGs Employment Resource Groups is on her radar. She's starting something called Collaboratories, which are leadership peer groups, and these are ways that we're hoping to break into some of those spaces where we are not yet.

And hopefully we'll be celebrated because of that, but I do feel very supported by those around me who know what we're doing at the Polished network. We just know that the harvest is still plentiful.

Jim: Well, and I, Amy, I just, love how you and Catherine have come together, taken women in the marketplace and the Polished network and come together and just created an even better Polished network and I'm super excited. We're gonna talk a little later in the show about the Boldly Conference coming up here in October 2023. But I just wanna celebrate and congratulate the two of you for saying, okay, this is the Holy Spirit's Ministry. Women working, Christian working women are such a valuable resource that we need to feed into and we could do this more effectively together.

There's economies of scale to be had, but there's also an efficiency and effectiveness that can happen when the two of us work together. And yes, we compete with Catherine with the connectedness. We're always, we're always trying to compete with who knows more people. That's right. But

I want everybody listening. If you are running an organization and there's another organization out there doing the same thing or very similar to what you're doing, consider joining forces because you can save money, do things more effectively when you work together. That's what Jesus said in John 17. They'll know that you are my followers when you walk in unity. Yeah, it's important.

Martha: Mm-Hmm. So, you know. Jim, one of the things that we've really seen is this gap in this conversation about Christian working women, and you are such an advocate for the Christian working women, that we ended up creating sheWorks4Him for the everyday Christian working woman, and that included a season of podcasts where Catherine is actually one of my co-hosts.

And the sheWorks4Him book where Catherine actually contributed a chapter. So if anyone reads these stories of the 18 different women and how God has worked in their workplace, it is an encouragement and a resource for them to walk this journey out. And for any size donation, we would be happy to send you a copy of sheWorks4Him, found on our website at iWork4Him.com. if you go there we actually have a little fish icon that says sheWorks4Him there and that can navigate you to all of this sheWorks4Him content that is there.

Jim: So, Catherine, question back to you. What is the best way that you see to support a Christian working woman?

Catherine Gates: I have seen, Jim Christian working women, as I started to say earlier - they need community. They need to know they're not alone. And I'll tell you over the last few years, isolation has only increased, especially for working women. And so what they need more than anything is that opportunity to connect with other working women to realize, oh, I'm not the only one struggling with this.

I am not a, I'm not a terrible person because I am dealing with this. I do have something to contribute. I know how to do that. Or this is a way I can grow through that. These are strategies, you know, we need community to see that. There are ways to work together to encourage each other.

We need to pray with and for one another, you know, so that community is so key. I've seen it at again and again. When somebody comes to a polished chapter luncheon, they like, literally, I've seen women in tears because they finally found a place where they can be themselves, where they can bring their whole selves, where it is safe, they can be vulnerable and authentic and encouraged.

And, and also share and contribute to other women. And so that's number one is just that community, but also Christian working women need resources to help them grow in their leadership, regardless of whether they wanna be in the C-suite or in an executive's role. Or they want to be their best as an individual contributor and be able to contribute to the strategies and success of the organization.

They need leadership resources and that's why we've started the WIM Collaboratories, those leadership peer groups that Amy mentioned. As well as we are offering workshops and of course at our events and at our conferences, we are always bringing amazing women who can share their leadership journey and women can learn from them as well.

Martha: You know, I love where this conversation is going and when we, and any of the listeners that are leaning in right now and saying, you know, I either am that person that needs that, or I know someone that needs that in their life. And so, you know, that's why we have these conversations, why we bring it to our listeners so that they can know that there is that resource out there to help with that support and encouragement and connectivity.

So Amy, I would love to, A lot of people, you know, don't really...

Jim: I'm trying to figure out why you're not gonna ask me this question. So the question, Amy, Martha's gonna ask Amy is, you know, what advantages do Christian working women bring to the table that Christian working men don't? Well, I'm thinking the things, okay, but lemme give you my perspective then I'll get Amy's perspective.

Because I just, you know, here's the deal. This is one of the things, I mean, sheWorks4Him is kind of almost my idea. Sorta, I mean, Christian working women bring they bring nurturing to the workplace because they actually have feelings and they're, they've never been taught to stuff those feelings inside.

So they bring a sensitivity to people that men don't typically bring. One of the other things that I think is super powerful that women bring to the workplace that men don't is the ability to hear the voice of God more clearly. Women have an inroad to hearing God's voice better than men. I don't know how to explain it other than it's a connectivity inside.

So Amy, those are the two things I see. I mean, also sensitivity, I mean grace and mercy and sensitivity. Those things that just seem to be emboldened or how about this, how about the built right into the DNA of women? That doesn't always come up.

Martha: Well, what you often say, Jim, is when God took the rib out of Adam, some of those things that came out that were more dominant in the female, you know, are those things that you were, that you were speaking about? Not universally. We have, we know that we all have different things that we are lacking in our lives as far as mercy and grace and things like that. But in general we do bring those things to the table differently. Amy, is there anything else you would add to that of what you see that women do bring to the table to help?

Amy Cedrone: Yeah. I'm so grateful that you asked the question and Jim, I love hearing from a brother in Christ how, how you value women.

And what they bring to the table. So I just wanna say thank you from the top here that you would even be willing to share that and recognize what Carolyn Custis James calls the Blessed Alliance. You know, we are not the same. Men and women are not the same. But man, they were created to collaborate together. You're talking about the garden. Man, Genesis, that's my jam. You know, and they were created to work together. And what I, I love how she calls it the Blessed Alliance. And so there are things that are unique to women, but I think one of the things I would add is that when men and women work together and value one another, you increase your perspective.

There are things that men are designed by, I think, by the Lord that they bring to the workplace, and I think women in the same way bring certain traits. I'll give you another one to add to your list. This idea, this ability to multitask. One of the things we're talking about at the, at the Boldly conference is this, this mental load that women carry.

For example, you know, working women still go home, make dinner, especially if they have children, take care of, they're usually the leaders as far as taking care of their kids. Those kinds of things. So they, they have a lot of things extra on their plate that they can juggle. I think we have a, can I use the, can I make a term jugglability?

I think that that women can bring to the table too, but that's not a deficit for men. I think that there's just unique traits that we bring, and so the thought about men and women working together, what do women bring? What they bring is a fuller perspective, and that's only gonna help and strengthen an organization or a business place when when we widen our perspective.

Jim: I just, defense of all men listening to the show today, I mean it, you know, we're task oriented. That's how we shop and that's how we do things. We start and we wanna finish a task, and if it's left undone, it drives us crazy. But that's where the multitasking, I mean, you can do five things at one time. You can't really do five things at one time, but you can have five open things going at one time, and it's okay.

I can't handle that. I need counseling if I have five open things all the time.

Catherine Gates: We need both. That's the point. We need both. In fact, there's been some research done where if a company has one woman, even just one woman, on the board versus a company that has all men, that company will outperform those other companies by 26%.

Just because of that diverse perspective, just because of some of the points, Jim, that you made of that more people-oriented focus, that nurturing, that intuition that women bring that's heightened. Not that men don't have it, but women tend to have a heightened sense of that and so I mean, yeah, we need to, we need to make sure that we're elevating the women as well working together.

Jim: It's a theology thing and people don't think about it this way. Everything that was in Adam was in Adam and Eve. So we had two bodies, but they had to come together as one to represent what they were before, all in Adam. And so when Eve was taken out of Adam, all of those gifts, talents, and abilities that now were in woman used to be in man, and so it created a deficit. But also those things that were in Eve are not in Adam, and so they have to come together as one. And that works in marriage. It works in the marketplace, it works everywhere. It should also work in the Four Walls church, which is why I wanna go into the next question.

What is the best way for our local bodies of Christ to celebrate the spiritual gifts of Christian working women? Is it by asking them to constantly serve in the nursery?

Catherine Gates: It really is to, to make sure that women have opportunities to share their experiences, their expertise, their leadership.

You know, just as a man might be asked to be an elder, and I'm not gonna go into the different philosophies about that, you know, let's just just be inclusive of everybody, but there are still leadership roles that women can be asked to take on in the church. They can be asked to mentor. I'll tell you, one of the things that comes to mind with this question is the huge deficit of discipleship.

We need more discipleship and so we need more working women who have succeeded, who have experienced, to be mentoring and leading the, the less experienced working women, the other women.

Jim: But that whole idea of discipleship is such an overwhelming, and, and, and just people hear that word discipleship, like, I can't disciple. Yeah. Really we need to, we need to shift the thinking, shift the understanding of discipleship to understand that it's really mentoring 'cause it's really, I'm gonna take my Jesus life that's in me and I'm gonna walk alongside you so you can experience my Jesus life in me while we're working through life together.

Because it's mentoring and disciples at the same time. Because people would think, well, I don't have, I don't have a curriculum to go through discipleship. You know what? Jesus didn't have a curriculum and neither did Paul or Peter or James or John. They just lived life alongside each other and they lived their Jesus life alongside somebody who needed to learn from them.

So I'm just interested, I'm sorry, Martha, I kind jumped in.

Martha: That's okay. That's alright.

Jim: Amy. do you ever get tired of being asked to serve in the nursery at your church?

Amy Cedrone: I have never been asked to serve in the nursery. My husband served in the nursery. I'm not even kidding.

But you know, I think to answer that question, it's a good question. What can churches do? They can know and seek to understand what the gifts and abilities are of the women in their congregations. Don't just assume that this is where they're, they're best fit because they're a female, but they could do some kind of deep dive into the spiritual giftedness of their congregation and then find places to then plug them in according to their gifts and according to their abilities there in the church.

The other thing I would say is that to, to know about organizations like iWork4Him and sheWorks4Him, and resource the working women in your church so that they can grow. And same thing with- tell them about Polished . Encourage a watch group for the Boldly conference. Do those things.

A lot of times working women can't attend the Wednesday morning Bible study because they're at work. So what else are you doing as a church to equip working women and to resource working women? That's another thing that they could do.

Catherine Gates: One of the things I just wanna add to that, if I could. You know, one of the things that, to Amy's point, you know, there are so many Bible studies that are happening in churches that are at times that just working women, it doesn't, it doesn't work for them. However, there, first of all, there are resources out there to help working women understand how to integrate their faith at work.

Then you can also equip those women to do outreach into their workplaces, to bring those resources and create a small group, get a small group of women together in their workplaces over lunch to go through some of these materials. That way not only are they studying God's word, but they're also doing professional development.

They're growing in their professional lives as leaders, as workers, as coworkers, as teammates, to understand what it looks like to bring your whole self to work so they can be their best selves. So that's another, another thing to consider is how can a church equip those women to do outreach to women who maybe aren't gonna step foot in a church otherwise?

Martha: That's such a good point. And I love this conversation about the church seeing that role and how to equip not for just within the four walls, right? Because that is what we do in other areas, you know, whether it's a visitation program or whether it's a, a sports program. You know, what is the church doing to help the Christian working woman live out her mission that God's called her to in that workforce that may never, that probably will never step foot inside the church, but we can minister to them every day in our workplace?

Jim: You know what I love is that, you know, a balanced church that is an effective church in a local community is a church that recognizes the spiritual giftedness of all of the human beings within its walls. And that's something we need to do. And I'm sick and tired of constantly, I mean, even in our class in our small little town, they come in, a woman comes in and says, Hey, there's little kids here today. Can somebody volunteer in the nursery? She never asks the guys. She always goes to the women.

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Martha, I think before we go today, we really need to talk about the Boldly conference.

Martha: Love that. So, you know, let's just talk about what is the annual Boldly conference that is coming up and just tell people what they can expect. It's on October 20th. I mean, I know we'll, we'll get into all those details, but you know, Amy, why don't you just start with what was the desire behind the Polished network to start this conference and telling women what they could be looking forward to when they attend?

Amy Cedrone: Yeah, thank you for that question. It was started in 2020, you know, and the idea was created in 2020 and so we were really focused on how do we connect working women in a season where women are just so isolated and so unconnected, disconnected. But the heart of Joy Doll, who is that Boldly was her brain child is that she really wanted to provide a broad means of professional development for Christian women with a faith-forward perspective. And so that was kind of the heart of it. I'm about to cough, so I'm gonna let Catherine jump in here and share a little bit more about that.

Catherine Gates: Yeah. So all the speakers are women who bring to the table experience in integrating their faith at work, in being successful in leadership. And so one of the things that we are always focused on is that every speaker provides biblical perspective and very practical tools that women can walk away with.

This year we're so excited. Our theme is to be renewed, be emboldened, and be transformed. And it's based on Romans 12, one and two. You know, offer your body's living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind. And we are just thrilled as I, I have been working with the speakers to fine-tune their messages.

And we've got Joe Saxton, Megan Alexander, Mindy Lawhorn, of course Kat Armstrong, the Co-founder of Polished and many, many more. And Tracy Mathews will be talking about Attune as well. Just so many amazing speakers who really are going to drive home the sense of how can we invest in our personal development, our professional development, and then also our transformation.

Martha: Hmm. Amy, any final words you wanna add to that as we just encourage people to join us for the Boldly conference?

Amy Cedrone: Yes, thank you. If you can, you know, we're not live streaming this year, the Boldly conference. It's in person in Dallas. And you know, that might mean a drive for some people if they wanna attend in person.

And I would encourage them if they wanna meet other working women, we're gonna have times of facilitation, times of networking. This would be such an opportunity to make that step of faith and say, I need this. I need personal growth. I need spiritual growth. This would be a great way of doing it. We are also selling the recording, and so if you, maybe you're thinking, gosh, what's one step I can take in my own workplace that I can encourage women to grow in their, their leadership, and in their faith?

To gather a group of co-workers, to gather a group of women at your own church, working women at your own church, the Boldly Conference is an opportunity for them to do that. So if they're asking the Lord, I agree with all of this. I understand this. The blessed Alliance, I know that I need to grow in my leadership and my own faith, but I don't know what next step to take. The boldly Conference would be a great next step for you to take, and the Holy Spirits tapping you on the shoulder right now. If you're listening and saying, this might be what, what I have for you, I would encourage you to take that step. And to come to the Boldly conference or to purchase the recording and watch it. It's an easy, low-hanging fruit.

Martha: Excellent. And we will have links in the show notes at the end. And I'm just so grateful for both of you for joining us today. Amy Cedrone and Catherine Gates from the Polished Network. And then we're specifically talking about the Boldly Conference that's coming up.

I'm excited 'cause I'm gonna be driving to Dallas myself to attend and that is on October 20th and I even have a promo code MARTHA20. So if there's anyone listening that would like to get some additional savings and join me for that conference, I would love for you to do that. And let me know you're coming because I'd love to sit with you and we can chat and be encouraged together in this process.

Jim: And take a Martha selfie!

Martha: And take a Martha selfie along the way. We will have a table and door prizes and things like that as well. So thank you so much everybody. I look forward to seeing you at the Boldly Conference.

Jim: You've been listening to iWork4Him with your host, Jim and Martha Brangenberg. We're Christ followers. Our workplace, it's our mission field, but ultimately, iWork4Him.

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