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Jim: You know, everyone of us listening today has had certain moments in our lives that have etched into our memories moments, where life came to an intersection and we took a turn and never went. For James Barnett, it was a lifetime of moments like these that inspired him to write his book, Blue Skies through a lifetime of adventures. James Barnett learned how to live in extraordinary expectation of what's around the corner and recognizing the impact that the last corner made on his life. James Barnett is the president of DaySpring, a division of Hallmark where he started 41 years ago as a marketing intern.

He and his wife, Marilyn live in Arkansas where they have three grown children and at least five grandchildren. James Barnett is here to talk faith work and Blue Skies right here on iWork4Him. We're on location DaySpring - online at DaySpring.com. James Barnett. Welcome to iWork4Him.

James Barnett: Well, thank you. It's great to be here. I'm excited about time to share today.

Jim: Well, I'm just excited about your book. It was so fun to read the stories in your book and to experience your life in your book. And I don't get a chance to do that because a lot of times people write a book about a topic. You wrote a book about your life, James, your job. And your job title comes with some notoriety. How do you keep your heart Jesus focused and your priorities, in proper order with God family and then work?

James Barnett: Well, first of all, if you have a family, you find out that you're not in charge all the time, you know. You've got a lot of help around. But, you know, really balancing, you know, what God is up to all the time.

You know, I I've lived long enough that when you have enough failure in life, that gives you new perspective. And it gives you like, Hey, I don't have all the answers. And, and so as I think about my family and I think about my work, I just really work about, about, you know, not, not about me. It's about what is God up to, and I work at practicing, you know, every day getting the right perspective.

Martha: So you didn't always have those things in the right order, did you?

James Barnett: Not at all. not at all.

Martha: So, and that's what your book is really all about. So what, what did you grow up understanding?

James Barnett: Mm-hmm well, you know, I, I grew up in a Christian home and wonderful parents, but I'm youngest of seven. So, you know, I, my siblings will tell, tell me that they raised me. My sisters, especially I had two sisters and four brothers.

And, and we were, you know, it's a typical family. We didn't have a lot. My dad was a, a pastor of small churches and a school teacher. My mom was a stay at home mom. And not only did we have the seven of us, but we seemed to have two or three other people living with us all the time. Mm-hmm . But they, they just continued to, to pour into us and to give us perspective about life.

And, and, you know, we were just poor folks from Arkansas that, that really tried to keep that perspective. So as I really began to grow and, and understand in that Christian home made a profession of faith when I was eight years old and not, didn't have this exciting story you could say of, of, of, you know, what I would say at making choices that maybe were harmful, those kind of things. I was just a kid that loved the Lord and, and wanted to do good things.

Jim: So let's, let's start digging into your lifetime. And, and I expect that over, over this podcast and the next it will capture a lot of this, but I wanna start with your work life, as it started off really early. Uncle Irvy, how did uncle Irvy teach you the value of hard work and generosity?

James Barnett: Oh, so much. You know, my uncle Irvy had a dairyette, and so he had only one, one daughter. And so us boys, we needed work all the time. We needed to make a little money and we, we always were hungry it seemed like. And, and, you know, as a kid, he had - not only had donuts but he, in the morning he had donuts, but then he had, you know, hamburgers and, and Cokes and ice cream and, and things that we really like.

So we would sort of get up there and, and look around and, and, and talk to uncle Irvy. And he would always find work for us to do so that we, we could maybe experience some of those hamburgers and French fries. And, you know, he never, we never went in - for some reason, I think we were taught this from our parents, but we never went in and asked for anything.

We just went in and said, how can we help? What can we do? And uncle Irvy would always find work for us. And, you know, he didn't have a lot either. And so he was working. But he would always find work for us. And we would come back in from cleaning the parking lot, or, you know, helping, helping others outside doing some things.

We would, he would always seem to have a hamburger and a French fries and, and a milkshake there ready for us. And just wouldn't even say anything. It would just be sitting there and you knew it was for you. So he was always generous with us and always caring, even though that he didn't have a lot, we didn't have a lot.

He was always looking for ways to bless others. And I saw him do that time and time again with people throughout his entire life.

Jim: And how good were his donuts?

James Barnett: Oh, they were, they melted in your mouth, you know Krispy Cream doesn't have anything on uncle Irvy. He had an old machine that those things, every morning he was up there at 4:30 in the morning. By six o'clock there were fresh donuts, glazed donuts, cherry covered donuts. Chocolate. There were just unbelievable flavors that he would put on those,

Martha: Getting kinda hungry, right? You're speaking, Jim's love language right there.

Jim: I mean, where's the dairyette today?

James Barnett: No, it's still there. The dairyette is still there. They celebrated their 65th anniversary.

Jim: Did it stay in the family?

James Barnett: It's not in the family. It hasn't been in the family for about 20 years. But the folks still use the name Barnett Dairyette, and they don't have the donuts anymore. Running that machine was I guess, a difficult thing. Irvy could fix anything. So if anything broke down, But they still have hamburgers, French fries and milkshakes that are terrific.

Martha: You know, you were talking about your uncle and how he modeled a lot of things for you and you know, what an amazing way to learn things when they're being modeled. And you then referenced back to your parents a little bit. So let's talk about them cuz they were really a lot of the inspiration in your life. Tell us about them.

James Barnett: Well, you know, they were, they were raised, my dad said we were raised backward, bashful and poor. I remember him making that phrase and he and mom grew up north of Salem Springs, Arkansas, about four miles out in the country.

And, and they were farmers and, and had orchards and things like that. But, you know, as I was, since I came along, my parents were in their late thirties when I was born. And, and they really just instilled in us, just the love of Jesus all the time. They worked hard. You know, they, again, didn't have a lot.

So we were always, you know, busy and dad was teaching school. We had a garden, a big garden, and my mom canned everything so that we could make it through the winter on. And so they were always just providing that love and care for us. And so we just knew that as a normal thing, there was never something that we didn't think we could do. Our parents believed in us. They, they would, mom would always just be as proud of us as any other kid and would always tell us we could do anything and just to stay in the game.

Jim: So you've been in Siloam Springs, your entire life.

James Barnett: My entire life, except one, one semester. I went to Baylor my first semester and was, was down there. And then I coming back and going to John Brown university because my dad had got a job there and I could go to school for free. And so that was a great deal.

Jim: Wow. I love that. We're talking today with James Barnett, the president of DaySpring, online dayspring.com. We're talking about his brand new book, Blue Skies.

You gotta get a copy of this - dayspring.com, great place for you to get a copy of it. And we've got lots more with James Barnett coming right up. You'll listen to iWork4Him. We'll be right back.

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Jim: Hey, welcome back to iWork4Him as we're on location today at DaySpring, Martha, right here in Siloam Springs, Arkansas, with the president of DaySpring James Barnett. He's written a brand new book, Blue Skies, how to live in extraordinary expectation of what's around the corner.

And we'll talk about what Blue Skies is all about, probably on the final podcast, as our time closes with James Barnett next week. James, you you learned about leadership from your mom and dad. How did your dad ignite the spark to lead?

James Barnett: Well, you know, we didn't do a lot of traveling. When I was a kid, we were again, small town, Arkansas, but there was a trip we took when I was four years old. And when I was 11 years old, And those trips just opened me for adventure. We were gone three weeks on those trips, big family car, you know, piling eight or nine kids and, and people in the car. And so it was quite a, quite a trip.

Jim: You, you said it was a big Buick. Where any of them in the trunk? The kids?

James Barnett: No, we were in the back window and the floor. And you know, those were the, those were the days when you could sit four across the front and five across the back and be comfortable. Oh, it was a big old car. And, and so that was really a big deal. But my, my dad, you know, and my mom both were just, they believed in people, they supported people. And, and dad always, you know, told us we could do anything we wanted to do.

And he was always cheering us on, my older brothers and, and myself while were all pretty good athletes. And so we were engaged in sports and my sisters were involved in things. And so dad was always encouraging us to step out and lead and to live. You know, live it, our faith and our work and our life. It was just all integrated together.

So as I grew up, I, I had that as an example, and it was always an encouragement to me. And, and then God, you know, God always, you know, wires us with certain DNA and certain personalities. And so, but we were all, while we were different as kids, we all really believed that we could do something even beyond, you know, where we were.

Jim: You - on your first road trip, you just really described the awe of being on a road trip and a motel pool for the very first time. But in the second road trip, some of your, a lot of your siblings were grown and gone. Yes. And so your dad gave you a very special privilege on that trip.

James Barnett: He did he, he really, I, I was, I loved maps and I loved being, you know, able to help guide and be the navigator. And so dad started letting me sit up front and, and be this navigator and making sure and tell him where to go and what roads.

And again, we didn't have GPS and cell phones and all those things. We had those paper maps and we'd have them out. Every once in a while, we'd miss a turn, you know, and we did that. My dad was never upset about that. He'd say, Hey, we'll circle back. We'll get back to that. So he really gave me the opportunity to learn and to succeed and to fail, and then encourage me to stay in the game with him and not give up.

And he was always where I got that spirit of adventure from was my dad. He was always excited about the next thing. Well, what we're gonna the next city and we're gonna the next national park. The next thing we were gonna go do, he was always excited and trying to get us excited. And he was always competing with us.

If we were on a hike, he'd wanna race. If we were picking blackberries, he'd wanna, he'd give us each a quart and he'd take a gallon and he'd say, I can beat you. I can beat you to fill this thing up. And so we were raised with that competitive and fun. Everything was a, was a big game. He loved having fun.

Martha: You know, I love hearing that I wanna just interject right here, because I think that the listeners might be curious why we're talking about road trips. So can you make the connection with what the, how that plays into the book that you've just written - Blue Skies?

James Barnett: Yes. Well, I, the, the Blue Skies is really the story of, of how to get perspective, how to really, how do you see God at work?

God is always working, but you have to look again, you, you don't always get that right perspective. And what I did in this book, Tried to really paint the picture of looking, seeing God at work all the time and through the national park trips that we took as a family. So when I was just after 30 years old, I decided to take trips to all the national parks.

Jim: Just save that, cuz I don't wanna cover, only cover all your trips, but that's where it came from. That's this is all about your trips, which is why I wanted to - like your road trip at 11, it was not a small road trip that your dad gave you the map for. Where did you go? From Arkansas to where?

James Barnett: We covered the east coast, basically went across to Tennessee. We spent a three weeks...

Tennessee, you know, is not on the east coast. I know from Arkansas, that's a long way.

Martha: Tennessee is heading east.

Jim: Okay. Heading, heading.

James Barnett: Heading east, Tennessee. And we went all the way to Washington DC. And then we went up to New York city up to Boston and then up into New Hampshire and Vermont. My brother had worked at a well, I called it a rich kids camp because that was, it was one east, east coast camp there with about these six weeks, they would stay at these camps, these kids, and my brother worked at that.

He was getting his degree in parks and recreation. And so he had an assignment there to to go to that camp. And so we picked him up and then we came back across New York to, to Niagara falls. Back by Springfield, Illinois, where Lincoln where Lincoln was born. And then we came into St. Louis or the arch and then came back home.

So that was a three week trip. And it was, it was a, just an exciting trip as an 11 year old experiencing, you know, things that I'd never seen. And it gave me a real spirit for adventure.

Jim: Yeah. And you're talking a five or 6,000 mile trip.

Martha: Wow.

James Barnett: Pulling a camper, pulling a, pulling a camper, a non-air condition, $600 camper that we would stay in most nights. I think we stayed three hotels during that trip just because we were so worn out, we needed a couple nights in a hotel.

Martha: Oh, that's so great. Well, that gives us some great perspective for, you know, the foundation of all of this. So I wanna talk about your career and the fact that you were very driven even in your early days at day spring.

But then you met Bob Buford. Yes. The amazing man who wrote the book halftime, and he spoke - you spoke about that often, but you mentioned that you, your paths crossed and that really had an impact on you. What about, tell us about that intersection and how it changed things in your life?

James Barnett: Yeah, well, I was in, I was in a hurry to grow up. I remember, you know, just, I was in a hurry to get my schooling and, and even one reason I didn't go ahead and play college football as I wanted to. I didn't think I was gonna play on Sundays. So I thought I'm gonna go ahead and just get my education. And then I met a wonderful girl and I went ahead and got married.

And then we, I wanted to get finished that and I wanted to get a job and I wanted to have kids and I wanted to get my house. And, and I thought that was, you know, the normal path for a person that was driven. And I was a believer. I loved the Lord. I prayed. And most of my life, even through my teens and twenties was much more about me, my prayer life on asking God to help me.

Mm God. How do you, you know, I've got all this list of things, Lord, I'm trying to accomplish for you, Lord. And how do I do that more effectively? And, and so when I, when I would pray and God would answer that prayer, I'd be yay Lord. And when maybe he didn't answer that prayer, I'd be disappointed. And when I was 30 years old, I was invited to a conference and it was, I didn't know, at the time it was put on by Bob Buford.

Bob had lost his son the previous year in a drowning accident down the Rio grand. That, that following year, Bob would ask many of his friends to, to invite the youngest, busiest Christian people they knew to, to come to a conference in Dallas, Texas. So we came to that conference about 400 of us sit in that room and Bob Buford gets up.

And that's where I first met him was this week, this weekend at this conference. And he gets up and he basically says, are you driven or are you called? And he goes, this weekend is about helping you identify, you know, what is really important in your life, cuz you guys are successful and you're believers, but you're, you're really running for the right things and working for the right things?

And I had to leave that conference and say, you know what? I was driven. I didn't really understand calling. I just, I was, I love the Lord and wanted to do right things, but that, that was a pivot point for me over the coming years, as I began to say, you know, I asked that question, what is a calling? And that's what made made me pivot to say, I've gotta spend energy and effort really understanding this calling of God.

Jim: But it also impacted your marriage and your kids too.

James Barnett: It did it sure did. Well, it did, and it really, it, it forced me to really say, okay, what does it really mean to slow down and to step back and say, is, is it all about activity?

You know, we're called human beings, not human doings. And, and the issue of activity I was - I'm still highly driven to achieve and to do those things. But I think they're a little bit better in perspective than they used to be, but that, that really encouraged me to slow down and say, I wanted to get out and see, you know, the country again.

And, and, you know, you can't experience things by just sitting at home and you have to get out and see the adventure of what God is up to. And so I, I, I sort of set out over the coming years, over the next 12 years to say, we wanna get to as many national parks as we can. And we took two weeks every summer.

And my, my brother-in-law, my sister and, and her two kids. We did this for over 12 years and we're continuing to do it today, actually.

Jim: Wow. And, and that's what we're gonna hear a lot more about in the next segment. We're talking to James Barnett, president of DaySpring online at dayspring.com about his brand new book blue Skies. Will be right back with more on, iWork4Him.

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Hey, welcome back to iWork4Him today. We're talking, Martha, with James Barnett president of DaySpring. You love DaySpring.

Martha: I do. I am. I'm a big fan. I can be a big cheerleader for you guys. And I think that a lot of people may not even realize all that DaySpring has to offer. So I just wanna encourage our listeners go to DaySpring.com and check it out for yourself, become a regular, get the emails. You can shop for all of the things that you love and that are meaningful in gift giving and in your own life.

And you know, it's, we just are thrilled that we can be here on location with you, James. And just highlight a little bit of what DaySpring has to offer.

Jim: And I wanna do a little plug because on a sheWorks4Him podcast coming up, martha does an interview with the person in charge of their Mary and Martha line. And Martha's got a sister named Mary. These two, love this line, the Mary and Martha line. I just wanna put that out there - DaySpring.com. You can find out about Mary and Martha there.

All right, James, you grew up with a passion to explore when you and Marilyn had children, Nick, Abby, and Jordan, you decided to continue the Barnett passion for exploration and you continue to take it to the next generation. How did you decide where to take them on a trip?

James Barnett: Well, we looked at the country and we said, you know, we're gonna get out to the national parks. And we picked the west first because you're it's wide open and it's a way we can get out and about. And we wanted to see the mountains and the oceans and the, the chasms of the grand canyon and, and, you know, with the things that Zion national park and those kind of things.

And so that really drove us to say, let's start playing these two week trips. We would, we'd rent a van, a 15 passenger van and we would...

Jim: oh, so no more big Buick?

James Barnett: No more Buick that's right. We couldn't have the big Buick. So we had a 15 passenger van. And so there were nine of us on these first five or six trips. And then you, as you're reading my book, you'll find out that group began to get bigger and bigger. And there's a couple of times we had 22, 23, 24 people cause wow. Family members and other people would come along on these trips with us. And, and it was a lot of fun. So we just began to do. You know, every, every summer for two weeks we would go, right.

Martha: You know, I just wanna interject here. I know of several families right now that are doing national park tours, and I love this resurgence of interest in taking road trips with families. So I think, you know, God's timing is divine and I'm so excited that this might be something that they can kind of relate to as they learn more from your stories.

James Barnett: Well, you know, one thing I, as I thought back when I was 30 and I was, I was thinking back in my own childhood, I thought, what impacted me? And what did I remember? Mm-hmm , you know, I, I call - most of life has lived in the meantime is, you know, and, but it was that events when I was four, some things when I was seven, some things when I was 11 and the years in between, I didn't remember.

But I remembered those trips vividly. And I thought if I can have that impact on my kids and that they can remember those vivid trips and, and if you interviewed them, they would tell you, yeah, those were the markers that they look back on. And those were the experiences and they weren't always easy experiences because we were, you know...

Jim: traveling in a travel Buick with nine people.

James Barnett: That's right. I was, I was telling, you know, told many people that, you know, when you, it's not always that exciting, you, you pile in a van, you drive for 12 or 14 hours. You, you know, park, you, you know, you're trying to get some, some food you're trying to get going.

You spend four five six miles hiking up a, a mountain and you get to the top of the mountain and you go, wow. You know, take it in, take it in. And I'd be at with my kids. Look at this. This is unbelievable. Look at this. And then 20 minutes later, you're hiking back down. You're getting in that van, you're driving the next three hours and you're going from place to place.

But those, those mile markers are those, those wow moments I call, help you see God at work. And, and that's what really encouraged me as I begin to take these trips every year. I just begin to think, wow, God, you're, first of all, you, nothing is the same. You know, you, you look at the grand canyon and you see one thing you look at, you know, Zion, national park and the mountain and angels landing and the narrows, and you go to, you know, Yellowstone and Yosemite and the Tetons and the glaciers and Mount Rainier.

And you, you look at and there's nothing the same. And, and I would, I remember look looking again and saying, God, you're the most awesome. God, you're amazing. You're you're always, you know, endless, he's endless in new things. And, and we did the east coast. We covered a lot of the east coast, Florida all around north, south, east, and west did a lot of Canada, a lot of the different areas around, but, but it was really this, this heart to see more, the more I saw, the more I wanted to see.

Jim: Well, let's talk about some of what you saw. I wanna walk through some of your experiences. It really impacted you. And then your leadership here at day spring because of what you learn, let's just start off and, and we're gonna run out of time on this podcast, but you'll agree to stand for the, to do a two part podcast won't you?

James Barnett: Sure I'll be glad to.

Jim: Okay. So Wall Drug and anybody listen to this podcast, that's done any driving anywhere in the country, knows about Wall Drug. Yeah. It's in wall, South Dakota, which is really not an impressive little community. No, but it intersected one of your early trips west with your family.

It wasn't on the agenda, but the billboards for hundreds of miles, which literally, if you start off in New York city, you can, and you get on I 90 actually it's outta Boston. You take I 90, you start seeing signs for Wall Drug, 1500 miles away.

Martha: Building the curiosity.

Jim: They, so it made it a mandatory stop, but this stop transformed how you did trips. How did, what did you see happen with your family and you, as you were standing inside Wall Drug and watching your kids, and then how did what you learned at Wall Drug - how did that translate into impacting your leadership here at day spring?

James Barnett: Well, again, being a driven person and, and wanting to achieve - we had an agenda, right? We had this two weeks planned, you know, down to...

Jim: MArtha, knows nothing about that.

Martha: I, I was just gonna say, I I've never heard of anything like this before.

James Barnett: That's right. And had everything laid out planned and every day. And, and you know, when we saw these signs driving across South Dakota, we said, well, we've really just gotta stop there.

You know, and we've gotta, we're gonna go to the Badlands first and we gotta get in, you know, got into Mount rushmore. We got a lot to cover. And so we, when we stayed, you know, near there, and so we ended up going, and I remember this, of course, this was many years ago, but they, they ended up purchasing most of the downtown area.

So you went from building to building, to building and, and continued to go. But I remember seeing the excitement in my kids and my, my nephew and my nieces that were there with us and just their excitement and I was finally three days into the trip and I was starting to slow down a little bit and, and, and get perspective.

And I remember just, it hit me about, you know, I'm trying to practice this thing of not only what is, you know, God's call, but to slow down and be able to see God at work, to be that scripture, be still and know that I'm God. Just to be still. And I began to see things a little differently. I began to see the excitement in their eyes and, and having the fun they were having and picking things up they'd never seen.

And there's that first time when you see someone experience something and we were seeing these firsts that were happening over and over. And I remember just thinking, Lord, help me to slow down, cuz Lord you're at work all the time. You're doing things all the time. And, and I was just one of those moments that I remember thinking, wow, being still.

And that's true in business. That's true here at DaySpring. We're rushed in along things are changing constantly. And yet we've gotta slow down. We've gotta look for where God is working and join him. And that really has helped me have that perspective. And that Wall Drug experience was just one of those aha moments that I remember just seeing that and thinking, wow, I just need to pause. Interruptions happen. And you've got to really stop and, and seize those moments and make sure we don't forget, lose those.

Jim: And, and for you, it was an agenda item for your kids. It was a place of wonder. Yes. And not only the free water.

James Barnett: Yes. You got free, free water. They advertise that all through the 1500 miles.

Jim: James, we're outta time for today's podcast, but you've agreed to stay on. We're talking with James Barnett who wrote this great book, Blue Skies. It's really the story of his adventures with his family across the country, experiencing national parks, but also about how those experiences transformed his life and his leadership here at DaySpring online.

DaySpring.com. We'll be back with more next week on the podcast with James Barnett. Thank you James for being here today.

James Barnett: Mm-hmm been wonderful. Thank you.

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